016: Daniel Gefen, Conversation 1, Vulnerability and Openness


Not often when two men chat on the internet do tears well up and they get choked up. I loved this conversation for its being unscripted and unguarded. Daniel allowed himself to be vulnerable. He asked about posting this interview on his podcast because of the rawness of the emotion that came up. We laughed a lot too. My mistake I recorded this conversation early and I dropped the ball on leading Daniel. If you listen to this podcast in part to learn to lead, when we reach talking about the environment, you'll hear me make big mistakes that provoked resistance. I led him to do the opposite of committing to a personal challenge---he lectured me on what I should and shouldn't do. Someone you're trying to influence lecturing at you means you didn't lead effectively. See if you can listen to where and how I lost him. Learn from my mistake. Notice how I lead others differently. For example, listen to my interview with John Lee Dumas to hear how I led someone who said he didn't care about the environment to identify something he cared about, create a big task to act on that care, and to commit to it with public accountability. Read the full transcript.

3 responses on “Daniel Gefen

  1. Beautiful podcast. Daniel’s personal story brought me to tears. It resonated with my experience. Many folks of our generation can relate to the emotional challenges of being raised by parents/grandparents who lived through devastating wars. Often families are “emotionally disabled” for generations, so it was inspiring to see him break that pattern. There are plenty of resources out there to learn about business leadership. This story is different, it’s about leadership through vulnerability. I hope one day I can lead my family the way David did.

    The other reason I really liked this podcast is because it reinforced how difficult it is to commit to a new daily practice, no matter how small it is. Collecting 1 piece of garbage takes 5 seconds per day, but remembering to do it takes a mindset shift that requires significant effort. If it is aligned with your values you have no choice but to give up something else in your life and make the shift.

    Thanks guys, much appreciated.

    • Thank you for sharing. Daniel opens up and I think he and I formed a chemistry from the start of my appearing on his podcast. Although this conversation covered the environment less than others, we covered leadership, particularly personal leadership more. I’m glad to see it resonated.

  2. Hi Frederico thank you for your feedback I’m so happy to have made an impression. May you go from strength to strength and achieve your life purpose.

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