Nadya indulged me in taking this podcast in new directions after listeners said they’d like to hear more unscripted conversation for a more human conversation.

Before starting recording, we talked about the difference between celebrating the 50th anniversary of the Stonewall uprising and the 50th anniversary of walking on the moon. You’ll hear that we spoke and got along swimmingly for a while.

Then we began misunderstanding each other for about half the conversation, talking past each other. It wasn’t my intent, but conversations like it happen all the time. Sometimes I’m in them, others I hear others get stuck in them.

I don’t know if you’ll find it entertaining, tragic, or what. It was certainly frustrating in the moment, but Nadya and I were doing this not to annoy but to understand.

By the end, we didn’t wrap everything up, but I think we came out okay. Before posting I asked if she was okay with it and she responded with an enthusiastic yet.

So by popular demand, you get to hear how conversations on the environment often go, even after years of practice, even between people who overwhelmingly agree with each other.

I think she genuinely meant it about recognizing the process of coming to understanding, which she differentiates from agreement, necessitates the kind of conversation we had. I’m realizing I have to speak accurately every time, though I recognize that even then, people misunderstand each other.

In any case, amid our talk about mines and litter, she took her challenge seriously and didn’t give up on it. On the contrary, she added to it, and, as I heard, it augmented the rest of her life.

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