Frederick was a great sport in allowing me to explore working on a patterns that happens sometimes but that I had let slide before.
We started talking about nature, then his commitment. About halfway through I noticed that his motivation to the commitment from his first episode didn’t seem to come from inside, which I believe led to him doing the task for extrinsic, not intrinsic, reasons, resulting in him doing his task perfunctorily.
Then came the part that may be uncomfortable to listen to—or may be intriguing or fun. I can’t tell because I was in the conversation. I tried to find a new sledding hill of his to ground a new activity. From then on we had a cordial conversation, but at cross-purposes. I don’t think he understood what I was getting at and I couldn’t see how to explain my point any better.
I’m grateful to Frederick for maintaining his interest. Those interested in starting a podcast may find a lot to learn since guests often disconnect from their sledding hill and feel they have to fix something or do something big. I don’t think we reached a resolution, but I think we valued the conversation. If you’re considering starting a podcast in the This Sustainable Life family or to do The Spodek Method with many people, you’ll find this conversation useful.