David and I talked about the ocean, water, and sailing in this conversation for a couple reasons.

For one thing, we find open water beautiful.

For another, he helped spark my interest in learning to sail as a way to cross oceans without burning fossil fuels on the scale that flying does. Last time we spoke he mentioned an event in Europe next summer that gave me a deadline to take sailing lessons, which I did. He grew up sailing, which led us to talk about it.

For another, his challenge was to eat less fish and to take more care about where the fish came from.

Most guests find their challenges easier than they expected, leading them to wish they’d done it earlier, or, if challenging, a rewarding challenge that enriched their lives.

David was no exception. Hear how he improved his life and lowered his environmental impact at once. Also hear him talking about halyards and other sailing talk.

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