I met Jonathan at the World Science Festival and recorded a podcast interview of him that changed my approach to leadership—in principle and in practice. I seek more opposing views. I listen more. I look to learn their intent and the beliefs and values motivating that intent. I challenge myself more. As he colorfully said to me: We are going through an extraordinary time in which social media and other recent changes are turning us all into self-righteous jerks. Our combined jerkitude threatens to destroy society. We all have to turn it down, be more humble. We don't know the truth. We don't have privileged access to the truth and we have to give each other the benefit of the doubt. Read the transcript.