David and I talked about the ocean, water, and sailing in this conversation for a couple reasons. For one thing, we find open water beautiful. For another, he helped spark my interest in learning to sail as a way to cross oceans without burning fossil fuels on the scale that flying does. Last time we spoke he mentioned an event in Europe next summer that gave me a deadline to take sailing lessons, which I did. He grew up sailing, which led us to talk about it. For another, his challenge was to eat less fish and to take more care about where the fish came from. Most guests find their challenges easier than they expected, leading them to wish they'd done it earlier, or, if challenging, a rewarding challenge that enriched their lives. David was no exception. Hear how he improved his life and lowered his environmental impact at once. Also hear him talking about halyards and other sailing talk. Read the transcript.
In our first conversation, David and I talk mostly about creating a work of enduring value. As David says, the way to keep you book so high up on Amazon is by writing a great book. If you want your work to endure and for people to follow, creating quality work is how to do it. David shares about his years of developing, rewriting, and creation, as opposed to get-rich-quick marketing so prevalent today. Without pretense or affectation, we bring in historical masters like Rembrandt, Van Gogh, and Mozart. Want to be a great leader? You can learn from present-day and historical masters. On the environment, he shares a common issue---that when you've already changed a lot to live by your values, it can feel harder to find new things. Many Americans compare themselves to other Americans, see themselves polluting relatively less, and let go of their values. Since Americans pollute more than nearly any of the billions who have lived since the dawn of humanity, that's about the lowest bar you could use for your integrity. So if you feel like you have everything covered, listen to David, his challenge, and how he grew from it in conversation 2 to come. Read the transcript.