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Non-judgmental Ethics Sunday: What Should You Do With Your Father’s Nazi Keepsake?

posted by Joshua on March 26, 2017 in Ethicist, Nonjudgment
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Continuing my series of responses to the New York Times’, The Ethicist, without imposing values, here is my take on today’s post, “What Should You Do With Your Father’s Nazi Keepsake?

A few years ago, before my father died, my two brothers and I were going through his things with him. He wanted to have some say in where his belongings went. We agreeably found a home for most of the things: Brother No. 2 has children; Brother No. 3 and I have no children. When it came to my father’s World War II box, which had not been opened for years, we thought it best to give his Bronze Star, Purple Heart and other military decorations to Brother No. 2, so they could be passed down.

My father spoke little of the war until he had been sober for more than 20 years. After the rest of the family left that day, he handed me a belt buckle and said: “Do something with this. I don’t want it with the other things.” It was a belt buckle from a Nazi uniform. I said I would take care of it. I have kept it stashed in my desk. I’m now in my 60s and really don’t want it in my house, either. I have checked resale sites, and it does have some monetary value, but I do not want it to fall into hands that may use it symbolically for what my father fought against.

What is an ethical way to deal with this piece? Peter Hulit, Los Angeles

My response: I’ve never seen value in taking responsibility for other people’s behavior, even Nazis’.

Anyway, you asked for an ethical way to deal with the piece. What’s ethical depends on the values of whom you ask and people disagree. Nazi supporters would consider it ethical to sell it to them, but you don’t mean their ethics. You probably mean some abstract set of universal ethics that everyone would agree to, but they don’t exist, as evidenced by the Nazis’ ethics differing from yours.

If you think you’re right and they’re wrong in some absolute sense, then you already think you have access to absolute right and wrong. If so, you can answer the question better than I can, at least according to you, since you have perfect knowledge.

Absent that perfect knowledge, which asking your question implies you don’t believe you have, you’re left with doing what you think is best, accepting that others will disagree with you.

I can’t help but comment on how you put, “for what my father fought against.” You can just say you don’t want to support Nazis. Since you bring up honoring your father as the main issue instead of Nazi ideology, I can’t help but wonder how he got the belt buckle. The overwhelming majority of times I see belt buckles that aren’t mine or in a store is when people are wearing them. We’ll never know, but wouldn’t that imply he got it from a dead man?

The New York Times response:

I remember once visiting a small antiques shop in Swakopmund in Namibia and being astonished to see a great range of Nazi artifacts — copies of “Mein Kampf,” Iron Crosses and the like. Namibia was German Southwest Africa until the end of World War I, and there are many Namibians of German ancestry, descendants of the settlers who came to the area when it was a colony. I wondered whether the interest in these legacies of the Third Reich reflected some sympathy with its aims. Either way, there was something creepy about the experience.

Why creepy? Well, we are required not just to act in accordance with morality but also to have the right moral emotions. And having this stuff around suggests that you just might have a problem there. Indifference toward a genocidal regime is bad. Active approval is, of course, worse. In the United States today there are some people who say that they identify with Nazi aims, and they use Nazi symbols and memorabilia to express those sympathies. Because you, like me, are repulsed by this sort of celebration, you naturally don’t want to allow this belt buckle — presumably it’s the kind with the eagle and swastika — to be misused in this way.

Now, here’s the problem. As far as I can see, if you want to ensure that the buckle is never misused, you can’t really sell it to anyone. You can tell buyers that they must not use it in this way, but that stricture isn’t enforceable. Even if you gave it to a responsible museum, it can’t stop people coming in to look at it for the wrong reasons. And again, the museum could always decide to sell the buckle later.

Are you right to be concerned about the uses that might be made of the object? No doubt most buyers of this sort of thing are military-artifact collectors with no untoward predilections. And we’re not generally responsible for what people do with the things we sell them, mostly because we can’t be expected to foresee those things. Still, the more obvious the possibilities for an object’s misuse, and the more serious its consequences, the more diligent you need to be in avoiding selling that object to the wrong buyers.

If there were no legitimate uses for the buckle, you would, in letting it out of your control, be guaranteeing that it would be misused, and you’d bear some responsibility. That’s not the case here: The buckle could, in fact, be used in an anti-Nazi display or join a general collection of wartime memorabilia. The impulse to destroy troubling historical artifacts is usually best resisted. Even if the item did end up in the wrong hands, the primary responsibility would lie with those who used this relic to celebrate Nazi ideas.

Finally, in any sale, you’re connected with those who would use the buckle to signal pro-Nazi attitudes, because their preferences are one source of the economic demand that sets the price. I’m inclined to think that this connection is too remote to worry about, though. Many objects have morally unattractive elements shaping the demand that sets their prices.

A sensible precaution would be to identify an interested buyer who doesn’t intend to sell it and whose collecting interests don’t seem guided by neo-Nazi sentiments. But if you’re really determined to avoid any possibility of misuse, I suggest you give your father’s buckle a decent burial.

I work for a large company that has a scholarship fund for employees. Some of the grants are need-based, others are not. The fund is administered by a nonprofit employee group and has a finite amount to give each year.

I earn $100,000 per year and am pursuing an advanced degree. A $1,500 grant would be nice but would not impact my lifestyle. Many of the other employees who apply work front-end jobs and make below $50,000 if they are full time and much less if they are part time. Some are trying to get an associate’s or bachelor’s degree. I think that $1,500 might make the difference for them between being able to attend college or not or between taking on manageable debt and missing repayments.

I am not planning to apply as others have a greater need. If it were an employee benefit that was available no matter how many employees asked, I would. Did I make the right choice? Name Withheld

My response: You sound like you want a pat on the back or recognition that you made some noble gesture.

Without knowing the point of the grants, we don’t know the point of the grants, nor do we know the others’ situations. The part-timers may make more than you per hour for all we know or value their freedom more than you value your money.

You sound like the money should be distributed by how much it affects lifestyle, which seems to imply that you should start your own grant where money you give away affects you less than it helps others. I don’t see how you giving away money differs from not getting a grant you could have won.

Hm… what would the difference be if you applied for the grant and won and gave it to one of these other employees? For one thing, you might not win, so that strategy exposes a vulnerability. For another, if you won and gave it to them, you’d expose that the granters felt you deserved it more. Depending on the criteria, you might expose a vulnerability of the non-winners.

That’s speculation. You asked if you made the right choice. “Right” depends on values. By your values you seem to have made the right choice. Other people have different values. Some would agree with you, others wouldn’t. You knew that already: people with different values disagree on right and wrong. Are you comfortable with people considering you wrong?

The New York Times response:

It’s the job of the people who run the system to decide what weight to give factors like income in deciding who gets the grants. For your strategy to work, other well-off employees would have to make the same choice. You’d collectively decide to override the preferences of those who set up the scholarship fund. But that’s not your role. The need-based grants exclude the likes of you; this one, by design, does not. Unless there’s something unethical in the administration of this grant, you should feel free to compete for it.

I work for a tutoring company that charges $60 per hour, of which I receive $30. If a session happens to end early, I notify the company to bill the student less, and then I invoice the company. I recently learned, however, that the company often bills the students for the full session even if I tell them it finished early. Is it unethical for me to invoice the company for a full session, knowing that if I don’t they’ll just pocket more of the money they (and I) didn’t earn? Name Withheld

My response: What does the contract say?

One reason I don’t like the premise of this column is that it supports people asking these abstract philosophical questions instead of thinking for themselves about their personal relationships with the people their actions affect.

Asking about the “ethics” of this interaction isn’t elevating it to a higher level. It’s distancing yourself from the people in your life, your emotions, your responsibility for your actions, and your caring about how your actions affect people. You signed a contract agreeing to behave certain ways if they did. You have the written agreement and a relationship with the people. You have everything you need to resolve this without involving a philosophy department or newspaper columnist.

The New York Times response:

First, what does the fine print say? Services provided at a per-hour rate aren’t necessarily prorated at a per-minute rate when they go a little over or under. But it isn’t O.K. to bill the client in full and not pay you accordingly. If your assessment of the situation is correct, money is being stolen here. So I understand your logic. Your employer isn’t entitled to the overpayment. Your client isn’t going to be able to keep it. Why not take a share? It’s the logic of the person who steals the TV from the looted store during the riot. Someone is going to take this stuff; why shouldn’t it be me?

I wonder how this situation is even possible. Maybe the students aren’t telling their parents that you’ve let them leave early. Rather than go along with a dishonest practice, though, why not insist that the students stay for the time their parents have paid for? It can’t be that you’ve got nothing more to teach them.

The Fierce Focus interview with Ryan Ross

posted by Joshua on March 25, 2017 in Audio, Fitness, SIDCHAs
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Ryan Ross hosts the Fierce Focus podcast. A friend put us in touch. We had an engaging conversation that I enjoyed a lot, probably because he asked direct questions that led to meaningful answers. Also because we actually sat together face-to-face to record the interview, which opens the conversation, in my experience.

Here are the show’s notes:

Josh Spodek has done 90,000 burpees. He has a PhD in astrophysics from Columbia, and an MBA from the Columbia business school where is is a professor at Columbia Business School’s Program on Social Intelligence. He has a new book out, New book: Leadership Step by Step.

This is a LONG episode, and we cover subjects like what a SIDCHA is and why Josh has done 90,000 burpees, how and why he went to North Korea, and talk about his leadership course.

If you listen to the whole thing, you’ll find a special code word. And if you email josh with that code word in the subject, he will give you a special 15% on his leadership course. If you email him after you’ve done 30 days of SIDCHA, he will arrange to get you the book too.

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How to Find Your Authentic Voice: The Engaging Leader podcast interview with Jesse Lahey

posted by Joshua on March 24, 2017 in Audio, Leadership
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Jesse Lahey, who runs the Engaging Leader podcast, led me in a conversation about leadership, how to behave more authentically.

The conversation was fun, informative, and, I hope, engaging and inspirational. Jesse kept the conversation meaningful and valuable, at least to me.

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Here are Jesse’s show notes:

To lead and influence others, whether as a workplace leader or as a thought leader, you need to develop an authentic voice. For example, let’s say you are a CEO delivering a speech to your employees, or a functional VP writing an email to your staff, or a department head presenting recommendations to the C-Suite. When you speak or write, are you clear? Are you true to your values, passions, and personality? Are you representing the real you, and do people understand and trust you? Are you effective not only in prepared communications, but when you speak “off the cuff” or extemporaneously?

You might think, well, it’s not rocket science. But if that were true, then why do so many leaders struggle with it and not quite have the impact they want? Maybe it really is rocket science, and so, to help us get to the bottom of it, we decided to talk to a real rocket scientist who became a leader.

Joshua Spodek is an Adjunct Professor at NYU, leadership coach and workshop leader for Columbia Business School, columnist for Inc., and founder of His new book is Leadership Step by Step: Become the Person Others Follow.

Josh has led seminars in leadership, entrepreneurship, creativity, and sales at Harvard, Princeton, MIT, INSEAD (Singapore), the New York Academy of Science, and in private corporations. He holds five Ivy League degrees, including a PhD in Astrophysics and an MBA, and he helped build an X-ray observational satellite for NASA. He has co-founded and led as CEO or COO several ventures, and holds six patents. He earned praise as “Best and Brightest” (Esquire Magazine’s Genius Issue), “Astrophysicist turned new media whiz” (NBC), and “Rocket Scientist” (ABC News and Forbes), and has been quoted and profiled by ABC, CBS, NBC, the New York Times, and the Wall Street Journal.

Resources Mentioned in This Episode

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Here is more about Jesse, from his about page:

Jesse LaheyJesse is a speaker, author, and consultant with over 20 years of experience in leadership and workforce communications.

Jesse is the host of three podcasts – Engaging Leader, Workforce Health Engagement, and Game Changer – heard by thousands of leaders around the world. He is the author of 8 Communication Tools for Leaders: Become a Better Leader in Every Area of Life, co-author of Gamification: Engaging Your Workforce, and editor of Making Character First: Building a Culture of Character in Any Organization. He is Chief Engagement Officer (CEO) of Aspendale Communications, a team of consultants founded in 2004 to help employers attract and retain top talent, engage employees, and deliver superior business results.

Prior to founding Aspendale Communications, he was a partner at a human resources consulting firm. Jesse’s experience also includes serving as a communication specialist with a global management consulting firm and as the HR communication leader at a Fortune 500 manufacturer with nearly 20,000 employees worldwide.

Jesse, Erin, and FamilyBoth Jesse and his wife Erin have a longtime passion for communication, leadership, and continual learning. They met while performing in high school theater, and both started writing and editing professionally while in college. They chose to homeschool their four children in order to cultivate close relationships, a love for learning, and their core values. Most of the engagement principles that Jesse teaches have been practiced on his guinea pigs – er, children – and so far, none of them have needed to be bailed out of jail.

Jesse serves on the boards of two non-profits: Whispering Hope Ranch Ministries, an organization that uses horses to connect with children and train them to be leaders; and His Love Family Resources, an organization that provides counseling and material assistance to those with unexpected pregnancies and to families living in poverty. He also serves on the Lead Team of Praxis Church.

mb-triathlonIn 2009, Jesse’s passion for learning and health led him to train for a triathlon. After discovering the sport to be a fun way to maintain and even improve health, Jesse engaged several family members and friends to join him each year in various triathlons, marathons, and other endurance events. Years later, Team Hanladan is still having fun together.

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365 days without flying

posted by Joshua on March 23, 2017 in, Leadership, Nature
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My Inc. article yesterday “365 days without flying,” began

365 Days Without Flying

Leadership means taking responsibility for my actions and empathy for those affected

It’s so easy to think greenhouse gases come from “other people,” but when I learned that a flight across the country polluted roughly one year of driving, I could no longer tell myself flying wasn’t that big a deal.

So I told myself I would not fly for one year. I returned from my last trip March 23, 2016, so today marks day 365.

Everyone loves travel, so I probably lost most readers who don’t want to sacrifice seeing the Great Barrier Reef before it dies, or acknowledge what’s killing it.

But this article isn’t about deprivation or sacrifice. The opposite, actually. It’s about celebrating life.

It’s about what I discovered when I declined to do something that for hundreds of thousands of years of human existence was impossible until barely over a century ago. Then luxury became taken for granted. Now people feel entitled to it, future generations be damned.

Read the rest at 365 days without flying.

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Astrophysicist turned media wiz tells listeners what leadership is all about: The Tim Laskis interview

posted by Joshua on March 22, 2017 in Audio, Fitness, Habits, Leadership, SIDCHAs
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Tim Laskis is a psychologist, but unlike most of them, has done things in life, including starting and selling a company and coaching others. He specializes in business and sports. Read more about him below.

The Tim Laskis Show

He also interviewed me for his podcast, The Tim Laskis Show, a genuine, fun, rewarding, and, I believe, engaging and informative conversation. We talked about success, failure, what it takes to achieve, how to make it through, what works, what doesn’t, and more.

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Tim Laskis interviewing Joshua Spodek

Here is more background on Tim from his about page:


No one understands the psychology of human behavior and success strategies better than Tim, especially as it applies to business and sports. He grew up in a family of entrepreneurs, he has the academic training, experience consulting with business owners and professional athletes and he successfully started and sold a business. However, Tim also knows failure very well.

Tim almost failed out of high school and graduated at the back of his class with grades of C’s, D’s and F’s. Also, he failed at almost every sport while growing up. He simply did not fit in anywhere. He even went to work with his father who owned an automotive air conditioning company and was quickly demoted to sweeping floors.

Tim experienced ongoing failure while growing up.  He simply felt insecure in every way.  He was not gifted in any area. However, he turned everything around and earned a Ph.D. in clinical psychology with an emphasis in organizational behavior. He has successfully worked in the mental health field for approximately 24 years and has helped hundreds of clients. He also has worked as an organizational consultant, executive coach, professor and mental skills coach with some of the world’s fastest professional motocross athletes.

Tim has learned to step out of the box and take calculated risks. In January 2006 he quit his secure job and sold everything to move to Costa Rica where he married his true love, bought and sold land for a profit and wrote a book, Finding Your Costa Rica. As an experiment, Tim started a commercial building service company an hour and a half away from his home.  His childhood friend, Todd Coleman, owns a successful commercial building service company and provided Tim with his blue print.  Tim had worked with business owners for years, however, he had never run a company with employees and felt it was important to gain this experience.  After five years of building his company as a side project, with six employees, he sold the business once he reached 100k in sales.

Stepping into social media is a new challenge for Tim. He initially dabbled in social media when it first became popular, but quickly took an unplugged position. However, Tim realized that the power of social media cannot be ignored.  Join Tim on his new journey as he helps aspiring entrepreneurs achieve their goals and dreams with his new podcast, YouTube show and webinars.

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Stop Aspiring To Lead And Start Leading By Giving Support: My second guest post in Tanveer Naseer’s blog

posted by Joshua on March 22, 2017 in Leadership, Tips
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Tanveer Naseer is the recipient of several awards and recognitions as one of the top thinkers/writers in the leadership sphere, including being recognized by Inc. Magazine as one of the Top 100 Leadership and Management Experts, earning a #3 ranking on HR Examiner’s Top 25 Online Influencers in Leadership, and being consistent ranked on numerous lists as one of Top 15 Leadership Bloggers in the world.

We had great conversations preparing for and following my first guest post in his blog, “Stop Unwanted Beliefs From Sabotaging Your Self-Improvement.” I wish we could have recorded them to share. They’d make a great podcast.

We decided to do a second guest post, and he published it today, “Stop Aspiring To Lead And Start Leading By Giving Support.

Among other things, the post includes a long list of needs people tend to have and how to support them. It begins

Stop Aspiring To Lead And Start Leading By Giving Support

People who aspire to lead look upward in a hierarchy to find power and authority they can grab onto to pull themselves up. That’s why they’re still aspiring and not leading. People above them can sense their craving, which they can motivate them with, which makes them followers, not leaders.

Great, effective leaders support people, which means not looking up but looking around at people at all levels. Supporting people attracts them to your team. Support creates loyalty, dedication, and results. People who support become leaders because people want to follow them. They buoy themselves up through effective action, which means getting things done.

Why you don’t know how to support

The challenge to grow your teams, followers, and community is more than knowing you have to support people. Everyone knows what they should do in the abstract. The challenge is knowing how and doing it.

Read the rest at Stop Aspiring To Lead And Start Leading By Giving Support.

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How to Turn the Knob of Leadership and Your Life: The Tanner Gers Interview

posted by Joshua on March 21, 2017 in Audio, Freedom, Habits, Stories
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I can’t say enough about Tanner Gers. He posted the podcast of our conversation today. We had a great time talking about life and doing things. A bit of a love-fest between two people who admire and respect each other.

Before linking to the podcast, a few words about Tanner from his about page. If you’ve read Chapter 8 of Leadership Step by Step, you’ll see the connection this man’s story to my life, passion, and message.

tanner gers

About Tanner Gers

Thanks for stopping by and saying hello

You may have found me through my health & fitness site, coaching site, or have heard me on someone else’s podcast, but either way… I’m glad you’ve come to hangout.

Here’s the real background story that most don’t get to hear…

I was your typical all-American kid growing up, except for the fact that we never really had 1 place we called home. I’ve lived in Orlando and Jacksonville Florida, Mobile Alabama, Anaheim California, Houston Texas, I was born in Lafayette Louisiana, where we lived several different times, and then finally moved to Tucson Arizona, which was where I went to high school.

Yes, we lived all those places before I was in 9th grade…

I played every sport imaginable growing up, was incredibly bored throughout my k-12 experience, and the only reason I even made it into college was because of my math scores on the SAT. I’m great with numbers… Horrible at reading. Can you guess what happened soon after that?

Yeah, you’ve got to read in college, so that was short lived. After I headed back home, I partied in between punching in and out of my dead end jobs. My life was going nowhere and I finally realized it was going to be up to me to do something about it.

I was mature enough to know that I was going nowhere fast, so I made the choice to extract myself from the situation, see what I did there, of Tucson. I needed discipline. I needed focus. I needed to get the hell out of Dodge. Inspired by 9-11, I thought I could hit 2 birds with 1 stone and enlist into the military. I was proud of myself and finally getting my life on track, but then I lost control of my car.

It was the day after my little brother’s birthday and I was speeding back to my parents’ house. Long story short, a tree came through the windshield and impaled me in the face. My skull was cracked open so severely, you could see my brain. It was exposed to the air.

2 months later, I “woke up” in the traumatic brain injury unit of a rehab hospital in Tucson totally blind. I lost vision out of both eyes completely. I was left in the darkness. Eventually, I figured out that I still had talent, skills, a working brain, and potential, but it would be up to me to live a life worth living. So, that’s what I did.

This lead me to learn how to live blind, go back to college, become a serial entrepreneur, author, speaker, and even a professional athlete as a US National team athlete in track & field. I also play blind baseball and dabble in cycling.

Ultimately, I learned that in life, sometimes, you have to be creative to find success. But, everyone has creativity and success inside them. I hope the info on this site and the Creative Success Show helps you find it.

And, thanks for taking a listen

I love people who live life to its fullest and share it with others so they can too. That’s Tanner.

Click here to listen to the podcast!

Here are his podcast notes:

Think about something with me for a moment…

And as long as you’re not currently operating heavy machinery…

Close your eyes.

What’s in your life right now that you don’t love?

Anything you don’t like doing… Or maybe hate doing?

Mentally, imagine a rain shower head above you…

My brother has this amazing 4 shower head walk-in shower that’s the inspiration for this visualization…

And what if as the water falls down upon you…

All that stuff washed away?

What if, just by simply turning a couple knobs… You could change your experience just like that?

You’d probably have a lot of room, space, and time to think about and do the things you really want to do.

The things that you’d probably accomplish… If that other crap wasn’t mucking it up…

Like being a bestselling author…

Running marathons… Or even swimming across a river…

As the warm water washes away the things you don’t want…

You envision being a collegiate professor …

Or an artist with your work being displayed in museums, galleries, and even winning awards for it.

Some of you are helping build satellites… Working with NASA… As an astrophysicist…

Or, you left your job to bring your invention to market… Getting patents along the way…

And now it’s being used across 4 continents!

Then you reach forward… Turn the knob to the right… And you wipe the water from your eyes.

Is this just a vision of grandeur?

Would any one of these be impossible for you?

Or is that just you choosing to limit what’s possible for you?

Maybe it is…

As these are accomplishments anyone would be happy to have on their resume…

Let’s go a step further.

What if… What if you accomplished all these things?

Every single one of them…

Just you. 1 woman. 1 man…

When I was introduced to Josh Spodek… I was excited.

Incredibly excited… Because he reminded me of the thing I learned from Dr. Jim Afremow.

If you can spot greatness… Then you’ve got greatness inside of you as well.

We all do. We all have greatness inside each one of us.

And as Josh says… The trick to achieve it is simple.

The 1 trick behind him being able to say he’s done all of the aforementioned achievements…

Isn’t a trick at all. It’s simple.

And it’s best represented in a single two-letter word.


Just keep doing. Doing and pursuing what it is that you want to be great at.

It can’t be that simple though… I refuse to believe it!

I’ve tried and tried.

Well maybe… That’s the problem.

You’re just trying.

You’re trying to be successful instead of just doing.

If you want to publish a book…

Then write.

If you want to get your Doctorate in astrophysics or your Master’s in Business…

(BTW Josh has both as well as multiple other degrees from Ivy League schools)


If you want to be a painter…


If you want to eat better, live healthier, and lose weight…


If you want to complete a marathon…


The limitations we put on ourselves as humans are incredibly suppressive, oppressive, and depressing.

You, me, and most of us come from a place of fear…

When we should just come from a place of courage.

Having the courage to write that first word…

The courage to go to school…

(I’m doing this personally right now… Full-Time!)

The courage to cook, paint, or to take that first step.

When you come from courage…

You arrive.

You arrive at understanding…

The understanding that living life isn’t about going through the motions like you’re a sleep-walking ambienized being…

But that the best and only way to live life is through living it.

So… Turn the knob…

And wash away those words and perceptions of limitation that you’ve been told…

That you’ve been sold…

And that you’ve adopted as your own.

You are meant for more…

If you can spot greatness…

You’ve got greatness inside you.

And achieving it begins and ends with this.


And without any further ado…

Allow me to introduce my friend

And author of the only book on leadership that actually helps you become a leader…

Dr. Joshua Spodek

The only leadership book with the exercises that actually build Leadership!

Leadership Step by Step: Become the Person Others Follow

And visit Josh’s Academy and Blog right here…

Do. Do right now. Do three things.

Get the book. Get on the blog. And get in the Academy.

You’ve got nothing to lose… But growth, leadership, and accomplishments.

Turn the knob in your life.

Click here to listen to the podcast!

Thank you, Tanner!