Hear my second time on the Heritage Foundation podcast The Power Hour with Jack Spencer
It’s been close to a year since I first appeared on the Heritage Foundation’s podcast The Power Hour, hosted by Jack Spencer, who has been a guest on my podcast three times.

First, I enjoy Jack’s hosting both as a guest and a listener. I really was laughing as hard as I said when I came on.
You’ll hear me share more about how America’s founders, Lincoln, Adam Smith, and other Enlightendigenous thinkers inform my views and actions. To my credit, I think I convey important thinking about sustainability based on what we need for society to work. It won’t work if anyone can just do what they want. Roles for government include ensuring the consent of the governed and protecting people’s life, liberty, and property. Polluting and depleting violate these things.
Not to my credit, I jump around between many ideas in my upcoming book. Jumping around tends to happen when talking about an unfinished work. That jumping means my story isn’t as straightforward as I’d like. That said, I think you’ll hear that I’m approaching sustainability from a perspective no one else does.
About the Podcast
The Center for Energy, Climate, and Environment’s (CECE) Power Hour, hosted by Jack Spencer, brings together leading experts to discuss a wide range of timely and critical issues in energy, climate, and the environment. If you support unleashing abundant and affordable domestic energy, combatting climate alarmism, and advancing environmental policy that respects federalism, property rights, and sound science, then The Power Hour is a must-listen program.
Read my weekly newsletter
On initiative, leadership, the environment, and burpees